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Soto and Rinzai Zen – Sutra, Tantra and Essence Mahamudra

Following on from the post: Is Zen Vajrayana?

I believe there are various tradtions in Zen. Some of them may use result as a path.

This is a really interesting question. I don’t think that any of the traditions practice result as path in the sense that Vajrayana teachings teach it. However, interestingly enough, Soto Zen (rather than Rinzai Zen) has some teachings which mirror this aspect.

Rinzai Zen

Rinzai Zen’s teachings on koans are very much a progressive teaching which gradually develops one’s Insight or Realisation as one ‘passes’ each Koan in turn. It is very much a teaching which emphasises a gradual approach of deepening insight through practicing on the causes of gaining realisation.

A painting and calligraphy by Hakuin Ekaku -a key figure in the Rinzai school of Buddhism
A painting and calligraphy by Hakuin Ekaku -a key figure in the Rinzai school of Buddhism

Soto Zen

However, in Soto Zen, the main practice is Shikantaza, translated as ‘just sitting’. Here, one in a sense practice itself is enlightenment already. So one is already a Buddha, as one practices. In a sense, one practices being a Buddha. However, it is not practicing on the result in the same sense as Vajrayana, more an employment of skilful means whereby one refuses to accept the dualism between enlightened and unenlightened, and between practicing and not-practicing.

Sudden school vs gradual school

There is a relation here between this ‘similarity’ to Vajrayana means in that Soto Zen is what is known as the ‘sudden’ school, whereas Rinzai Zen is the ‘gradual’ school.

Soto Zen and Vajrayana

I think there’s a clear difference here in Soto Zen, which has methods which continually point the practitioner to avoid thinking in terms of practice/not practice (ie, meditating/not meditating), and enlightened/not enlightened, and that of Vajrayana, which largely emphasises the identification with the realised form and qualities themselves as the means.

Vipassana and direct insight

Practice on Yidams is an important part of Vajrayana, but it also has methods which use direct insight, rather than identifications with forms of energy and lights.

I’m not quite sure if you actually mean this? Direct Insight methods, or Vipassana are not limited to Vajrayana, nor are they a sign of it. Vipassana methods are found in Hinayana, Mahayana and Vajrayana vehicles equally. Each of the vehicles has Samatha methods and Vipassana methods. For example, within the Deity practice of Vajrayana, the generation stage is mainly a samatha method, and the completion stage is a Vipassana method (or direct insight method). Perhaps you could clarify if you are using direct insight in another sense to the common one?

Mahasiddha Tilopa
Mahasiddha Tilopa

Sutra, Tantra and Essence Mahamudra

Different methods do not exclude each other, they may be combined to reach the goal – you may read “Mahamudra, Eliminating Darkness of Ignorance” by 9th Karmapa for more details.

Even though he mentions Yidam meditations, he does not make emphasis on them as the main method, and mentions it only in context of “practicing Mahamudra in phase of creation”.

That is because the aforementioned text is a Mahamudra text rather than a Vajrayana text, is it not, as are all three of the 9th Karmapa’s main texts?

The mapping of Mahamudra to Vajrayana would not be correct for a number of reasons.

Firstly, Mahamudra has Sutra-Mahamudra, Tantra- Mahamudra, and Essence-Mahamudra as it’s three modes, so only part of its methods and views relate to Vajrayana, and there it’s emphasis is different to mainstream Vajrayana.

Secondly, whilst in a sense Mahamudra could be said to be a subset or variation on Vajrayana, in another sense it is a vehicle which follows on from Vajrayana, or even one which runs parallel to it, depending on how you look at it. It is a complete path in itself, which doesn’t necessitate following any of the other three vehicles per se, as it includes methods and views which perform the same functions as those within its own teachings.

Of course, traditionally, when you have finished Ngondro, one may be led to proceed by one’s guru to either Deity Vajrayana methods, or Mahamudra methods, following the pointing out instructions. At a further stage, the other fundamental class of Kagyu methods, the teachings of means – the Six Yogas of Naropa might also be given.

Most often, Vajrayana methods and Mahamudra methods are practiced in tandem, for most people.

Wangchuk Dorjes texts do indeed cover a range of teachings, but they are Mahamudra teachings, not mainstream Vajrayana.

As always, I’d wish to emphasise two things – that if you push definitions too far, then they tend to dissolve before your eyes, as reality is more fluid and complex than concepts can ever be. Secondly, what counts is direct perception, rather than analysis. Having said that, I believe there to be value in clarity of analysis as a basis for practice ….

with very best wishes in your practice

Is Zen Vajrayana?

Hi, is Zen considered a Vajrayana ‘way’?

I would say that it isn’t when considered by the most important criteria. If the major factor which distinguishes the Vajrayana from Mahayana and Hinayana is the fact that it uses the result as the path, whereas the other two yanas use the cause as the path, then Zen is most definitely not Vajrayana. It is very much about creating the conditions and developing the qualities which will lead you to Enlightenment. Vajrayana, as we know, is very much about focussing on the already present qualities of Enlightenment. Hence, the use of such things as Deity practice, with all that follows from that.

Isn’t at least one of the Zen traditions – Rinzai Zen – Vajrayana?

There are indeed a number of branches of Zen, all of which follow Chinese traditions, and all of them are very much Mahayana in view and method, Rinzai Zen included.

Zen monk meditating
Zen monk meditating

The third turning of the wheel of Dharma

Zen teachings sound quite close to some of Vajarayana teachings

One interesting aspect of Zen which it does have in common with Kagyu Dharma is that it is based on the third turning of the wheel of Dharma teachings, ie, on those of Tathagatagarbha (Buddha Nature) teachings, and on the ‘Three Natures’ teaching. To that extent, it also has a flavour to it which very much focuses on the fullness of qualities which are present in the Enlightened mind, and present in Emptiness, which Kagyu Dharma also has.

Simplicity is a strength

Another commonality with Kagyu Mahamudra is that Zen practice, like that of the Theravada, is very simple in its core and that simplicity is in many ways its strength, for those that are karmically attracted to that path. Whether you are doing Koan practice in Rinzai Zen, or doing ‘Just sitting’ practice in Soto Zen, either way, there is very little for you to work with, very little for you to get caught up in and lost in (such as intellectual ramifications), and so you are forced to focus your efforts Dharmically. For those so inclined, this can be a very powerful means indeed. Sometimes simple is indeed best!

However, as noted above, the practice is very much on the causes rather than on the results, so is not Vajrayana. Of course, that does not diminish it’s effectiveness or value, if that is what you are karmically predisposed to. And of course, much of Kagyu Dharma is not Vajrayana either, for that matter.

Lin Zi / Lin Chi

For Lin Zi personally, I have very special gratitude.

Thank you for sharing your very inspiring description of your inspiration from reading and reflecting on Lin Chi. Many of the Chinese and Japanese hermits writings are so stunningly direct, and evocative indeed.

with best wishes in the Dharma

There is a follow up post in the same conversation: Soto and Rinzai Zen – Sutra, Tantra and Essence Mahamudra

What are Mahamudra Methods?

Could you explain what are Mahamudra methods? Is every melting with a Buddha aspect already a Mahamudra method? Maybe the 3-Light-Meditation of the sixteenth Karmapa is the only method which I would call Mahamudra method.

I suspect that the answer to your questions are to a certain degree a matter of which angle you are looking from. By that I mean, depending on how you define things, you will get different answers to your questions.

Dorjechang (Vajradhara) - the primordial Dharmakaya Buddha for the Kagyu lineage
Dorjechang (Vajradhara) – the primordial Dharmakaya Buddha for the Kagyu lineage

All Kagyu teachings lead towards Mahamudra

So, broadly speaking, one could say that all the methods in the Kagyu teachings are Mahamudra methods. That is, all of the practices and teachings of the Kagyus are all designed to allow the realisation of Mahamudra to arise, and all help you progressively move to that realisation.

As such, every Kagyu teaching, from the Four Ordinary Foundations (the four thoughts that turn the mind), to the Four Extraordinary foundations (Refuge and Bodhicitta, Vajrasattva etc) are all imbued with the view of Mahamudra and are therefore Mahamudra teachings.

Preparation for Mahamudra

On the other hand, it is more usual to look upon the teachings of the Kagyu’s as being divided into those which are preparation for Mahamudra, and Mahamudra itself. In that case, the three sets of Foundations – the Four thoughts, Ngondro, and the Four Special Foundations are all preparation for Mahamudra, but *not* actually Mahamudra itself.

Pointing out instructions

From this point of view, all these methods and practices actually prepare the ground in terms of purifying karma, and accumulating merit and wisdom so that the Guru is able with his ‘Pointing out instructions’ to give you the basis for Mahamudra meditation. Having received this direct pointing out, you then engage in the Enhancement practices which stabilise this realisation, and allow you to develop it to its greatest extent.

As you can see, to an extent it depends on how you look at it. Traditionally at least, you are not even actually meditating until you are on the First Bhumi! Similarly, whatever you are doing, until you have received pointing out instructions and have directly recognised the nature of your mind, you are not yet practicing Mahamudra.

So turning to the specifics of your questions ….

Guru devotion

As the 3 lights meditation on HH16 Karmapa is a form of Guru Devotion, it would most usually be included as a variation on one of the Four Extraordinary Foundations (Ngondro), and therefore preceeds Mahamudra, and is not therefore Mahamudra itself.

16th Karmapa with the Black Crown
16th Karmapa with the Black Crown

Completion stage practice

As far as ‘melting with a Buddha aspect’ is concerned, it sounds as if you are describing the Completion Stage of a Vajrayana Deity practice. Vajrayana deity practices have a Generation (or Creation) stage, where one manifests the deity concerned, and engages in a variety of methods to develop ones clarity and awareness, and then enters the Completion Stage where you are engaged with formless meditation, and rest in the nature of the mind.

Generally speaking, Deity practices are a key method of the Vajrayana. Mahamudra meditation may have an object, or it may not, and it also may be sutric, vajrayanic, or essense, and finally it may be Shamata Mahamudra or Vipassana Mahamudra, but either way, it generally doesn’t involve deity visualisation (though there are exceptions to that generalisation).

The flavour of Mahamudra

Having said all of that, it seems to me that the most important thing as always is that all the teachings are able to take us to Enlightenment, and as such are all equally valuable. Whether something is labelled Mahamudra or not may not be the most important thing. For example, a common Tibetan saying is that ‘the Foundations are more profound than the actual practices themselves’.

Another thing worth bearing in mind is that even when a practice isn’t really Mahamudra, if you have received some Mahamudra teachings, it’s almost inevitable that you will bring some ‘flavour’ of Mahamudra to that other practice, in the light of any realisation you may have had from those Mahamudra teachings.

I very much hope that may be of some use to you …. and that I managed to answer your questions to some degree?

with best wishes

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